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Mercredi 08 Juillet 2009 10:19

Je m'explique : en ayant retaillé aux dimensions de 16.5*15.8 un bois Chen Weixing Defender (d'origine à 17*16.3), j'ai le sentiment d'en avoir modifié l'équilibre ; le centre de gravité de la raquette est très vers le bout ; pourtant je l'ai découpé suivant un gabari calqué sur un autre bois (le Juic Euro Cut pour info) et le ratio Longueur/largeur, à 2 dixième de mm près est le même (je veux dire que 16.5 divisé par 15.8 et 17 divisé par 16.3 c'est à peu près le même).
La question est de savoir comment ramener le centre de gravité plus vers le manche ; est-ce que diminuer de 1 voire 2 mm la longueur de la raquette (16.4 ou 16.3) aura une influence dans ce sens ??????

Mercredi 08 Juillet 2009 08:09

Citation de chabalou :
Je ne connaissai pas spinfactory. Effectivement différence "hénaurme" avec Misterping. Ca m'apprendra à croire les posts qui disent que misterping est le moins cher sur du matériel chinois.

Pour info, j'ai commandé le 729FX en mousse orange en 2 mm pour mon CD (faut être fou parfois).

Et le 388-D1 en 0.5 mm sur le RV.

Je n'ai pas encore reçu la raquette.



Pour les Friendship je te conseille Schuett Sport, toujours en Alemagne :
ICI
5,50€ - réduction(s) ; frais de port entre 3 et 5€ suivant pays

Mardi 07 Juillet 2009 13:06

Bon je viens d'acheter et de recevoir un LQ2 ; 34.50 € chez Spinfactory (mais ils viennent de l'augmenter à 39.90) ; ça fait une différence énaauurme avec Misterping !!!!

Quels sont selon vous les revêtements qui s'accordent le mieux avec ce bois pour un défenseur classique (combi) ???

CD :
- Vari spin 1.5
- Vari spin 1.2
- 729 FX mousse orange 1.8
- 729 FX mousse orange 1.5
- 729 FX mousse bleue 1.5
- 729 FX mousse bleue 1.0
- Tackiness Chop II 1.5

REVERS :
- Feint long II 0.5
- Feint long III 0.5
- Neptune 0.6
Message modifié 2 fois, dernière modification Mardi 07 Juillet 2009 14:07 par "The Wall"

Vendredi 03 Juillet 2009 15:02

J'ai un jeu sensiblement similaire ; j'ai essayé ceci qui devrait te convenir (un peu trop rapide pour moi Content
Bois Joola Chen Weixing
Tackiness D 1.5
Feint long III 0.5

Mercredi 01 Juillet 2009 20:41

MARQUE : JUIC
MODELE : EUROCUT (pas confondre avec EUROCHOPPER)
POIDS : 103 gr
HAUTEUR : 165 mm
LARGEUR : 158 mm
EPAISSEUR : 5,2 mm
NOMBRE DE COUCHES : 5
LONGUEUR (ET TYPE) DU MANCHE : 10,1 mm (DROIT)
LARGEUR DU MANCHE : 29 mm


(Ce bois peut-il être ajouté à la liste des bois disponibles dans le profil ainsi que le Juic Elf)
Message modifié 2 fois, dernière modification Mercredi 01 Juillet 2009 21:14 par "The Wall"

Mercredi 01 Juillet 2009 20:36

En parcourant le forum je me rends compte que beaucoup de questions portent sur le poids d'un bois et ses mesures ; données qui ne sont pas nécessairement fournies par les fabricants eux-mêmes. Je propose de rassembler ici le maximum d'infos par rapport à nos bois personnels. Allons au plus direct en faisant un petit copier/coller du canevas ci-dessous et en complétant les données ; Please, pas de comm. qui noient l'info., juste les renseignements demandés
A vos balances et mètres ...
J'aurai l'immense privilège d'inaugurer une peut être longue liste ou un potentiel flop royal ...
Pour les bois rabotés, indiquer les mesures d'origine et retaillés.

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Mercredi 01 Juillet 2009 15:48

Citation de ping61 :
Nouvel essai de mon chen weixing ce week-end sur lequel j'avais laissé mon Mars et mis un FLII en 0.5. Que du bonheur lors de ces matchs. J'ai été agréablement surpris par le contrôle de ce bois, autant en phase défensive, en chop, qu'en phase offensive ou je mettais la balle vraiment où je voulais. J'avais commencé la journée avec mon bois Matsushita pro model mais je manquais vraiment de sensation, bois trop tendre pour moi. (essaie non concluant pour moi. Dommage car c'est vraiment un produit de qualité)
Le chen m'a permis des chops très sûr avec un bon contrôle. très peu de déchet. Je vais essayé mon P1R 1.0 sur ce bois. J'avais déjà essayé l'octopus en 1.1 mais il était un peu trop rapide lorsque j'étais en retard.
Concernant le coup droit, j'avais l'impression de mettre un peu moins de sauce et je le pensais trop rapide. En fait, il n'en est rien, j'ai peut-être dû, instinctivement, changer mes gestes mais je réalisais ce que j'avais l'intention de faire sans mettre la balle 05 cm derrière la table comme il m'arrivait avant. Il faut dire qu'il faisait chaud dans la salle et peut être qu'il y avait une incidente sur les revêtement (un peu plus tendre). Je vais faire l'essai avec le LKT Rapid Speed.
J'abandonne l'essai du Matsushita pro pour le Chen.


J'ai de très bonnes sensations aussi avec le chen Defender (que j'ai fait recouper à 165X158), à priori un peu plus lent et + de contrôle que le weixing ; seul problème le poids de la raquette est très vers le haut ; elle ne me semble pas bien équilibrée ; quelle est la dimension de ton bois ? Dan mon précédent post (essai sur spinmantra.com) il parle de 165X158 d'origine pour le weixing ???

Mercredi 01 Juillet 2009 15:42

Voici ce qu'on en dit sur "Spinmantra.com" ...
Désolé, c'est en anglais
Perso je ne connais pas le DNB, je joue avec un Chen Defender, très bon en tout point de vue pour la défense (le contrôle est excellent) ; la seule particularité qui ne me plaît qu'à moitié (mais c'est subjectif) est son centre de gravité assez haut ...


NEUBAUER BARRICADE

Last week I’ve attended a local county fair. The interesting thing to watch there was a demolition derby. It is scary as hell. There are some 5 to 10 cars crash each other and the survivor wins the game. All this happen in a stadium separated from the crowd with concrete barricades. The barricades are stronger enough to block derby cars throwing themselves to the crowd. The Dr.Neubauer Barricade DF reminds me of the same. This is such a highly stable table tennis blade for extreme defense.

I don’t think this blade suits a further away from the table game. The Dr.Neubauer Barricade suits a close to the table play. Whatever you use on this blade, the game can’t get faster. I have tried TSP Curl P1R 1.3 mm sponge on the backhand and TSP Actor 2.2 mm on the forehand. The rubbers were not good enough for a away from the table game.

I have a team mate who uses this blade at the club. He uses Stiga Destroyer on the backhand and Butterfly Challenger on the forehand. He plays very close to the table. He has leg injuries, so he can move much. He uses the blade very effectively with very defensive shots. Except some smashes he does, I have not seen any time a ball coming away from the table. I have continually looped all his defensive shots like chops and blocks, but he simply defends again. When an opportunity comes, he simply hits the ball and gets the point.

The Dr.Neubauer Barricade has a very good soft feel. The blade is very stiff and weigh less than 70 g. The blade has a very good cork handle. The blade is wider.

The blade favors close to the defense with occasional hit. The blade does not suit a looping player. The blade can generate classic top spin and smash. This is an excellent blade for beginners as well as classic defenders

JOOLA CHEN WEIXING ET JOOLA CHEN DEFENDER

In 2007 I had two Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ blades. In 2008 I had one Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ and one Joola Chen Defense DEF blade. They are my favorite table tennis blades with some exceptions. Over the years Joola has upgraded the Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ blade. The Joola Chen Defense DEF is new – was introduced to the market in 2008. Both the blades are made in Germany or Hungary.

Both the blades are not flimsy – they are solid in construction. They have 7 layers and are good for defense and attack. The types of wood that has been made in both the blades are different. The Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ has Limba outer layer while the Joola Chen Defense DEF has Samba Yellow wood. The Limba wood is popular in cut defense blades.

The handles on these blades are excellent. One reason I love these blades is because of its craftsmanship and well designed handle.

Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ blade:
Weight: 86 gm
Dimension: 158 mm x 165 mm

Joola Chen Defense DEF blade:
Weight: 88 gm
Dimension: 162 mm x 170 mm

I’ve tried out these blades while testing also other blades like TSP BalsaFiber 3.5, XIOM Aigis, Butterfly Defense II, TSP Reflex Defensive, Dr.Neubauer Combination Effect, Dr.Neubauer Barricade DF and XIOM Amadeus. I have tried also different inverted rubbers such as XIOM Omega III, XIOM ZETA, TSP Real. TSP Actor, DHS Hurricane III and long pips rubbers like TSP Curl p1R and XIOm Guillitine.

When I compare Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ with other defensive blades, this blade can be categorized as an allround blade also. The forehand of Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ is faster and the backhand is little slower. An allround player who plays defense on the backhand can use this blade – he does not need to be qualified as a modern defensive player to use this blade. While Chen Weixing DEF+ can generate good speed from its forehand, the Joola Chen Defense is slower on the forehand. I have felt the Joola Chen Defense is little more stiffer than the Joola Chen Weixing DEF+, so the modern top spin was little difficult. The Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ can generate more throw angle than the Joola Chen Defense, so the touch shots over the table has more chances to fall on the other side of the table.

At the Joola Chen Weixing Super Camp where I participated last June, I was using the Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ blade. Chen Weixing himself has shown some amazing shots with this blade to me. There are so many tricky service returns and close to the table strokes you can do with this blade. The handle of the blade will help you to do various defensive shots because the blade is easy to manuever inside the wrist. Both the blades are good for further from the table game also.

There are some exceptions to my likeness towards these blades. The Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ blade is a standard DEF+ blade with compromising weight and dimensions. The Joola Chen Defense DEF blade is bulkier than the Joola Chen Weixing. The Joola Chen Defense can accommodate more rubber so the weight of the blade will increase.

If you are a weight sensitive person, you can overcome this problem. When you put the new rubber on, align the rubber little further away from the handle. This can reduce the rubber mass on the blade.

The Joola Chen Defense DEF blade suit close to the table long pips players. If you try long pips of sponge size 0.6 mm or lower, your shots can generate moderate reversal of spin and deception. The Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ is designed for more defense and attack game, so the reversal is not available as the Chen Defense. The Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ is very good for underspin and top spin attack game. The Joola Chen Defense is suitable for defense and hitting game.

The other blade I’ve compared these blades is XIOM Aigis. The performance of Joola Chen Defense is close to the XIOM Aigis. The Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ blade has higher throw comparing to the XIOM Aigis. You can reduce the throw easily by fast forearm movement. The Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ has very good control to achieve any kind of stroke with that.

The inverted rubbers that match Joola Chen Weixing blade are spinny rubber having less speed. I don’t recommend using pips rubbers on both the sides of Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ blade. The Joola Chen Defense suit more for players who use short pips on the forehand and long pips on the backhand.

Mercredi 01 Juillet 2009 11:46

Je pense que l'auteur du sondage voulait dire "toutes autres choses étant égales" ... (Bois, gestuelle, ... , degré d'humidité ambiante de la salle ;-) ... And so on ... )

Mercredi 01 Juillet 2009 08:43

(copié/collé)

I have seen a woman chopper from California using this blade. She had JUIC leggy long pips on the backhand and 999 on the forehand on a JUIC Eurocut blade. She has been trained by Stellan Bengtsson, 1971 Men’s Singles World Champion.

The handle of this blade attracted me well. The handle is almost square and is bigger than regular size. The handle of XIOM Aigis is square but thinner than JUIC EuroCut. The JUIC Eurocut with its special handle helps classic defense on both wings without changing the grip. I have seen the woman chopper manuevering her body to chop on her backhand and forehand with as much spin variation - yes, she won the match too against an attacker.

I have put this blade to test with TSP Curl P1R 1.3 mm on the backhand and XIOM Omega III 2.0 mm on the forehand. With my thumb rested well on the handle and curvy swing could generate very good under and side spin defense shot. I’ve felt the strokes very similar to Butterfly Matsushita Pro Model.

I don’t say this blade is slower enough to play all the shots close to the table. This blade is little faster to play little further away from the table and cut the ball. This blade has also very good attack possibilities. I have felt the forehand speed is almost the same to Matsushita Pro Model. The blade is flexible - but not flexy as Matsushita Pro, so I was able to create curvy loops.

The outer layer of JUIC EuroCut is made of some African wood. The blade is think with very good stability. The blade is medium soft - not hard or soft. It has similar touch feeling as Butterfly Matsushita Pro. The Matsushita Pro can generate curves of its own because of high flex, but I did not see that in JUIC EUROCUT. This kind of less flexibility gives more control for playing variety of spins.

Mardi 30 Juin 2009 15:52

On attend les soldes ou quoi (en Belgique elles ne démarrent que samedi 4/7 !) ... ;-)
Message modifié 1 fois, dernière modification Mardi 30 Juin 2009 15:52 par "The Wall"

Mardi 30 Juin 2009 15:43

Aux championnats du monde de Pékin ; je dominais largement mon adversaire chinois quand le réveil a sonné !

Mardi 30 Juin 2009 15:35

Je voulais ajouter que je pense que l'épaisseur de la mousse a son importance vu qu'avec moins de mousse on "rentre plus dedans" puisque la balle risque moins de sortir, en ce sens on met donc plus d'effets, mais cela n'engage que moi ;-
Message modifié 2 fois, dernière modification Mardi 30 Juin 2009 15:47 par "The Wall"

Mardi 30 Juin 2009 15:25

J'ai joué plus de 10 avec un VS (1.2 et 1.5) et depuis qlq mois avec un 729 FX (1.5 et 1.8 mousse orange, mais je vais tester le 1.0 et 1.5 en mousse bleue) ; pour moi, intrinsèquement le Friendship met un peu plus d'effets ...(mais "l'effet" produit pris isolément n'est pas tout ...) ; il n'y a pas je pense vraiment de critères objectifs pour mesurer l'effet ...
Actuellement je teste un tackiness chop II en 1.5 et je peux te dire que ça envoie de la sauce aussi ; pour moi, au moins autant qu'un 729, tout en ayant + de contrôle, mais corolaire, c'est moins rapide ... Moralité, je vote "autre" ;-)
Message modifié 1 fois, dernière modification Mardi 30 Juin 2009 15:37 par "The Wall"

Mardi 30 Juin 2009 14:38

Copié / collé sur spinmantra.com

In 2007 I had two Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ blades. In 2008 I had one Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ and one Joola Chen Defense DEF blade. They are my favorite table tennis blades with some exceptions. Over the years Joola has upgraded the Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ blade. The Joola Chen Defense DEF is new – was introduced to the market in 2008. Both the blades are made in Germany or Hungary.

Both the blades are not flimsy – they are solid in construction. They have 7 layers and are good for defense and attack. The types of wood that has been made in both the blades are different. The Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ has Limba outer layer while the Joola Chen Defense DEF has Samba Yellow wood. The Limba wood is popular in cut defense blades.

The handles on these blades are excellent. One reason I love these blades is because of its craftsmanship and well designed handle.

Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ blade:
Weight: 86 gm
Dimension: 158 mm x 165 mm

Joola Chen Defense DEF blade:
Weight: 88 gm
Dimension: 162 mm x 170 mm

I’ve tried out these blades while testing also other blades like TSP BalsaFiber 3.5, XIOM Aigis, Butterfly Defense II, TSP Reflex Defensive, Dr.Neubauer Combination Effect, Dr.Neubauer Barricade DF and XIOM Amadeus. I have tried also different inverted rubbers such as XIOM Omega III, XIOM ZETA, TSP Real. TSP Actor, DHS Hurricane III and long pips rubbers like TSP Curl p1R and XIOm Guillitine.

When I compare Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ with other defensive blades, this blade can be categorized as an allround blade also. The forehand of Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ is faster and the backhand is little slower. An allround player who plays defense on the backhand can use this blade – he does not need to be qualified as a modern defensive player to use this blade. While Chen Weixing DEF+ can generate good speed from its forehand, the Joola Chen Defense is slower on the forehand. I have felt the Joola Chen Defense is little more stiffer than the Joola Chen Weixing DEF+, so the modern top spin was little difficult. The Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ can generate more throw angle than the Joola Chen Defense, so the touch shots over the table has more chances to fall on the other side of the table.

At the Joola Chen Weixing Super Camp where I participated last June, I was using the Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ blade. Chen Weixing himself has shown some amazing shots with this blade to me. There are so many tricky service returns and close to the table strokes you can do with this blade. The handle of the blade will help you to do various defensive shots because the blade is easy to manuever inside the wrist. Both the blades are good for further from the table game also.

There are some exceptions to my likeness towards these blades. The Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ blade is a standard DEF+ blade with compromising weight and dimensions. The Joola Chen Defense DEF blade is bulkier than the Joola Chen Weixing. The Joola Chen Defense can accommodate more rubber so the weight of the blade will increase.

If you are a weight sensitive person, you can overcome this problem. When you put the new rubber on, align the rubber little further away from the handle. This can reduce the rubber mass on the blade.

The Joola Chen Defense DEF blade suit close to the table long pips players. If you try long pips of sponge size 0.6 mm or lower, your shots can generate moderate reversal of spin and deception. The Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ is designed for more defense and attack game, so the reversal is not available as the Chen Defense. The Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ is very good for underspin and top spin attack game. The Joola Chen Defense is suitable for defense and hitting game.

The other blade I’ve compared these blades is XIOM Aigis. The performance of Joola Chen Defense is close to the XIOM Aigis. The Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ blade has higher throw comparing to the XIOM Aigis. You can reduce the throw easily by fast forearm movement. The Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ has very good control to achieve any kind of stroke with that.

The inverted rubbers that match Joola Chen Weixing blade are spinny rubber having less speed. I don’t recommend using pips rubbers on both the sides of Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ blade. The Joola Chen Defense suit more for players who use short pips on the forehand and long pips on the backhand.

Mardi 30 Juin 2009 14:21

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After I’ve decided to move in the direction of being a defensive player, this is the first defensive blade I’ve tried. I’m a fan of Joo Se Hyuk, the Korean chopper who is so aggressive in his forehand with top spin loop shots and cut strokes in his backhand. Butterfly developed this blade for him - Joo was using Butterfly diode blade before.

I was using a Butterfly Schlager carbon blade before which is an Offensive blade. When I compare to a Schlage Carbon blade, the Butterfly Joo Se Hyuk blade is semi-large. If you have some rubbers already, which you want to try on this blade, may not fit unless the rubbers are cut for a semi-large blade. The weight of the blade is 90 g. I have measured a second Joo Se Hyuk blade that I have bought in 2008 which weighs 104 g. I’m little surprised at the weight differences of the same model. It has a hard feel which some choppers like very much. The blade is little heavy, and very less soft spots. The blade will generate some vibrations if you try to block smash or heavy top spin. You may have to counter drive such shots to avoid the vibration.

The Joo Se Hyuk blade comes in flare and straight handle. Joo uses the flare handle model. I have used the straight handle because that was the only model available in the United States. Joo Se Hyuk does not twidle his paddle in between the shots, so the preferred handle type for a chopper is flare unless you are a classic defensive player.

This blade is faster. A defensive blade is not a slow blade, and this blade is a good example for that. A defensive blade is made of characteristics which is good for defensive play like chopping. The semi-large size is a characteristic of a defensive blade manufactured by Butterfly.

I would not probably recommend this blade for players who are playing very close to the table like classic defenders. Joo Se Hyuk was involved in the development of this blade, so the handle, shoulder and the face of the blade were designed to help his game. I felt this blade has wider shoulder which prevents the thumb to rest on the face of the blade – the thumb can rest on the handle only. Many defensive players use thumb to control their chops, and this blade may disappoint you a little if you come in that category. This may not a problem for a looper because looping with thumb pressed on the face of the blade may cause the ball to fly high.

A very good combination for this blade is long pips on the back hand and an inverted rubber on the fore hand. I’ve tried Feint Long III 1.3 mm on the back hand and Tackifire Drive 1.9 mm on the forehand. Among the other long pips rubbers I’ve tried, Feint Long II 1.1 mm works well with this blade. This blade can cut heavy top spin shots that come to your back hand and your returns can unbalance your opponent. You have to set up your forehand attacks with such defensive shots. If your opponent does not generate much spin for you to chop, you can chop the bottom of the ball and add side spin at the end of the stroke – this kind of shots are played by short pip choppers. I don’t recommend using long pips with sponges less than 1.0 mm on this blade – you may lose the control and the speed if you are a mid range chopper.

This blade can’t absorb the force of a smash if you are trying to block it - cutting the smashes can get the ball to other side of the table. When you play with this blade, don’t throw top or no spin balls that your opponents can smash - take control of the game from the beginning onwards.

The forehand chops need to be done when the ball falls to the ground. I was not successful chopping the ball at the table level with this blade. If your opponent loops the ball to your forehand, you may have to run far from the table, wait for the ball to drop and cut the ball from the floor. The other best thing you can do with this blade is top spin counter drives.

This blade can go well below the ball. If your long pips rubber has sponge like 1.1 mm, you can push the ball agressively. The push is very effective as soon as the ball rises.

The bottom line is, Butterfly Joo Se Hyuk DEF is a good blade for specialized choppers who can move around fast – chop from the back hand and attack from forehand. This is not a good blade for someone who wants to stand close to the table and play the defensive blocking game. The price of the blade is high - $85 in the US.

Are there any blades close to Joo Se Hyuk and possibly slower? Yes. The XIOM Aigis Blade is slower compared to Butterfly Joo Se Hyuk blade. Both are stable cut blades with a lot of possibilities for offense.

Try this blade if you can play an expensive game like Joo Se Hyuk plays - the crowd will love your game and it’s worth paying a high price for this blade.

Mardi 30 Juin 2009 14:19

Voici par exemple l'essai du Joo Se Hyuk ; j'ai pas fait bac+7 en anglais et j'ai tout compris
Intéressant notamment l'essai avec le feint long III

After I’ve decided to move in the direction of being a defensive player, this is the first defensive blade I’ve tried. I’m a fan of Joo Se Hyuk, the Korean chopper who is so aggressive in his forehand with top spin loop shots and cut strokes in his backhand. Butterfly developed this blade for him - Joo was using Butterfly diode blade before.

I was using a Butterfly Schlager carbon blade before which is an Offensive blade. When I compare to a Schlage Carbon blade, the Butterfly Joo Se Hyuk blade is semi-large. If you have some rubbers already, which you want to try on this blade, may not fit unless the rubbers are cut for a semi-large blade. The weight of the blade is 90 g. I have measured a second Joo Se Hyuk blade that I have bought in 2008 which weighs 104 g. I’m little surprised at the weight differences of the same model. It has a hard feel which some choppers like very much. The blade is little heavy, and very less soft spots. The blade will generate some vibrations if you try to block smash or heavy top spin. You may have to counter drive such shots to avoid the vibration.

The Joo Se Hyuk blade comes in flare and straight handle. Joo uses the flare handle model. I have used the straight handle because that was the only model available in the United States. Joo Se Hyuk does not twidle his paddle in between the shots, so the preferred handle type for a chopper is flare unless you are a classic defensive player.

This blade is faster. A defensive blade is not a slow blade, and this blade is a good example for that. A defensive blade is made of characteristics which is good for defensive play like chopping. The semi-large size is a characteristic of a defensive blade manufactured by Butterfly.

I would not probably recommend this blade for players who are playing very close to the table like classic defenders. Joo Se Hyuk was involved in the development of this blade, so the handle, shoulder and the face of the blade were designed to help his game. I felt this blade has wider shoulder which prevents the thumb to rest on the face of the blade – the thumb can rest on the handle only. Many defensive players use thumb to control their chops, and this blade may disappoint you a little if you come in that category. This may not a problem for a looper because looping with thumb pressed on the face of the blade may cause the ball to fly high.

A very good combination for this blade is long pips on the back hand and an inverted rubber on the fore hand. I’ve tried Feint Long III 1.3 mm on the back hand and Tackifire Drive 1.9 mm on the forehand. Among the other long pips rubbers I’ve tried, Feint Long II 1.1 mm works well with this blade. This blade can cut heavy top spin shots that come to your back hand and your returns can unbalance your opponent. You have to set up your forehand attacks with such defensive shots. If your opponent does not generate much spin for you to chop, you can chop the bottom of the ball and add side spin at the end of the stroke – this kind of shots are played by short pip choppers. I don’t recommend using long pips with sponges less than 1.0 mm on this blade – you may lose the control and the speed if you are a mid range chopper.

This blade can’t absorb the force of a smash if you are trying to block it - cutting the smashes can get the ball to other side of the table. When you play with this blade, don’t throw top or no spin balls that your opponents can smash - take control of the game from the beginning onwards.

The forehand chops need to be done when the ball falls to the ground. I was not successful chopping the ball at the table level with this blade. If your opponent loops the ball to your forehand, you may have to run far from the table, wait for the ball to drop and cut the ball from the floor. The other best thing you can do with this blade is top spin counter drives.

This blade can go well below the ball. If your long pips rubber has sponge like 1.1 mm, you can push the ball agressively. The push is very effective as soon as the ball rises.

The bottom line is, Butterfly Joo Se Hyuk DEF is a good blade for specialized choppers who can move around fast – chop from the back hand and attack from forehand. This is not a good blade for someone who wants to stand close to the table and play the defensive blocking game. The price of the blade is high - $85 in the US.

Are there any blades close to Joo Se Hyuk and possibly slower? Yes. The XIOM Aigis Blade is slower compared to Butterfly Joo Se Hyuk blade. Both are stable cut blades with a lot of possibilities for offense.

Try this blade if you can play an expensive game like Joo Se Hyuk plays - the crowd will love your game and it’s worth paying a high price for this blade.

Mardi 30 Juin 2009 14:05

ICI

C'est peut-être connu et archi-connu sur le forum, mais soyez indulgents, je débarque et j'ai pas vu de référence directe via l'outil de recherches ...

Ce blog mérite qu'on s'y arrête.
Faut fouiller sur les liens mais pas mal, pas mal ...

Mardi 30 Juin 2009 13:43

Citation de Capoblanco :

Je dirais même OFF. Je joue avec un Stiga Allround Evolution qui est réputé ALL+ et le LQ-2 est sensiblement plus rapide.
Ce bois est exactement le contraire de ce que tu cherches. Il convient, selon moi, au bloqueur-frappeur très agressif qui jouent près de la table avec peu de rotation. Le bois est rapide et le temps de contact très court.

Il y a un sujet sur ce bois où tu liras pas mal d'avis...


Et tu me conseillerais quoi alors ??? ...

Mardi 30 Juin 2009 13:40

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