Chen Defender ou Barricade def

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Mercredi 01 Juillet 2009 15:42

Voici ce qu'on en dit sur "Spinmantra.com" ...
Désolé, c'est en anglais
Perso je ne connais pas le DNB, je joue avec un Chen Defender, très bon en tout point de vue pour la défense (le contrôle est excellent) ; la seule particularité qui ne me plaît qu'à moitié (mais c'est subjectif) est son centre de gravité assez haut ...


NEUBAUER BARRICADE

Last week I’ve attended a local county fair. The interesting thing to watch there was a demolition derby. It is scary as hell. There are some 5 to 10 cars crash each other and the survivor wins the game. All this happen in a stadium separated from the crowd with concrete barricades. The barricades are stronger enough to block derby cars throwing themselves to the crowd. The Dr.Neubauer Barricade DF reminds me of the same. This is such a highly stable table tennis blade for extreme defense.

I don’t think this blade suits a further away from the table game. The Dr.Neubauer Barricade suits a close to the table play. Whatever you use on this blade, the game can’t get faster. I have tried TSP Curl P1R 1.3 mm sponge on the backhand and TSP Actor 2.2 mm on the forehand. The rubbers were not good enough for a away from the table game.

I have a team mate who uses this blade at the club. He uses Stiga Destroyer on the backhand and Butterfly Challenger on the forehand. He plays very close to the table. He has leg injuries, so he can move much. He uses the blade very effectively with very defensive shots. Except some smashes he does, I have not seen any time a ball coming away from the table. I have continually looped all his defensive shots like chops and blocks, but he simply defends again. When an opportunity comes, he simply hits the ball and gets the point.

The Dr.Neubauer Barricade has a very good soft feel. The blade is very stiff and weigh less than 70 g. The blade has a very good cork handle. The blade is wider.

The blade favors close to the defense with occasional hit. The blade does not suit a looping player. The blade can generate classic top spin and smash. This is an excellent blade for beginners as well as classic defenders

JOOLA CHEN WEIXING ET JOOLA CHEN DEFENDER

In 2007 I had two Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ blades. In 2008 I had one Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ and one Joola Chen Defense DEF blade. They are my favorite table tennis blades with some exceptions. Over the years Joola has upgraded the Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ blade. The Joola Chen Defense DEF is new – was introduced to the market in 2008. Both the blades are made in Germany or Hungary.

Both the blades are not flimsy – they are solid in construction. They have 7 layers and are good for defense and attack. The types of wood that has been made in both the blades are different. The Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ has Limba outer layer while the Joola Chen Defense DEF has Samba Yellow wood. The Limba wood is popular in cut defense blades.

The handles on these blades are excellent. One reason I love these blades is because of its craftsmanship and well designed handle.

Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ blade:
Weight: 86 gm
Dimension: 158 mm x 165 mm

Joola Chen Defense DEF blade:
Weight: 88 gm
Dimension: 162 mm x 170 mm

I’ve tried out these blades while testing also other blades like TSP BalsaFiber 3.5, XIOM Aigis, Butterfly Defense II, TSP Reflex Defensive, Dr.Neubauer Combination Effect, Dr.Neubauer Barricade DF and XIOM Amadeus. I have tried also different inverted rubbers such as XIOM Omega III, XIOM ZETA, TSP Real. TSP Actor, DHS Hurricane III and long pips rubbers like TSP Curl p1R and XIOm Guillitine.

When I compare Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ with other defensive blades, this blade can be categorized as an allround blade also. The forehand of Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ is faster and the backhand is little slower. An allround player who plays defense on the backhand can use this blade – he does not need to be qualified as a modern defensive player to use this blade. While Chen Weixing DEF+ can generate good speed from its forehand, the Joola Chen Defense is slower on the forehand. I have felt the Joola Chen Defense is little more stiffer than the Joola Chen Weixing DEF+, so the modern top spin was little difficult. The Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ can generate more throw angle than the Joola Chen Defense, so the touch shots over the table has more chances to fall on the other side of the table.

At the Joola Chen Weixing Super Camp where I participated last June, I was using the Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ blade. Chen Weixing himself has shown some amazing shots with this blade to me. There are so many tricky service returns and close to the table strokes you can do with this blade. The handle of the blade will help you to do various defensive shots because the blade is easy to manuever inside the wrist. Both the blades are good for further from the table game also.

There are some exceptions to my likeness towards these blades. The Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ blade is a standard DEF+ blade with compromising weight and dimensions. The Joola Chen Defense DEF blade is bulkier than the Joola Chen Weixing. The Joola Chen Defense can accommodate more rubber so the weight of the blade will increase.

If you are a weight sensitive person, you can overcome this problem. When you put the new rubber on, align the rubber little further away from the handle. This can reduce the rubber mass on the blade.

The Joola Chen Defense DEF blade suit close to the table long pips players. If you try long pips of sponge size 0.6 mm or lower, your shots can generate moderate reversal of spin and deception. The Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ is designed for more defense and attack game, so the reversal is not available as the Chen Defense. The Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ is very good for underspin and top spin attack game. The Joola Chen Defense is suitable for defense and hitting game.

The other blade I’ve compared these blades is XIOM Aigis. The performance of Joola Chen Defense is close to the XIOM Aigis. The Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ blade has higher throw comparing to the XIOM Aigis. You can reduce the throw easily by fast forearm movement. The Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ has very good control to achieve any kind of stroke with that.

The inverted rubbers that match Joola Chen Weixing blade are spinny rubber having less speed. I don’t recommend using pips rubbers on both the sides of Joola Chen Weixing DEF+ blade. The Joola Chen Defense suit more for players who use short pips on the forehand and long pips on the backhand.

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Mercredi 01 Juillet 2009 16:22

Merci pour ce comparatif très interessant, donc en deux mot je vais aller voir du côté du Joola Chen Weixing DEF+.

Merci "The Wall", si d'autres ont des avis , n'hésitez pas.

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Mercredi 01 Juillet 2009 16:52

le barricade est très agréables à jouer si tu aimes la sensation "tendre"...oubli les frappes sèches mais les jolis top en cloche seront tiens
je ne connais pas le Chen def.

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Mercredi 01 Juillet 2009 16:53

Si c'est pour entraîner les jeunes évites le Dr Neubauer Dèf a cause des chocs sinon c'est poubelles direct a 50 euros ça fait mal au dents , un bois sans balsa c'est l'idéal , après j'ai pas envie de rentrer dans les comparatifs sinon je te dirais de prendre le barricade mais il est a dominance offensive !

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Mercredi 01 Juillet 2009 16:56

ah oui j'avais pas vu que c'etait pour des jeunes ... COS 3 donc, un rapport qualité prix excellent

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Mercredi 01 Juillet 2009 16:58

Idem , tu touches ( pour les jeunes ) il explose !

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Mercredi 01 Juillet 2009 17:00

oui mais c'est moins cher! apres, si il veut un bois "tank", jie schoep def...

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Mercredi 01 Juillet 2009 17:02

Quand je dis pour entrainer les jeunes de mon club, c'est pour les entrainer à toper surtout.
C'est moi qui jouerait avec le Barricade donc ca me me gene pas qu'il soit fragile.

Merci à tous, je retourne finalement sur mon idée de départ avec le barricade def.

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Mercredi 01 Juillet 2009 17:04

Très bon choix !

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Mercredi 01 Juillet 2009 18:16

aaaaaaaaah ok...
donc oui, très bon choix!

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Mercredi 01 Juillet 2009 18:36

Si tu aimes les bois légers, le barricade déf est pour toi !